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 Post subject: Indy?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 10:16 am 
Are you still there?

I know you figured on a bit of flak over this, but at this point it seems pretty clear that the issue isn't just going to go away. Serious concerns have been raised on both sides of the debate over your ruling, but so far we haven't heard a lot from you about it.

If what you're doing is taking some time to re-consider all the various views that have been expressed, that's cool... but it might be a good idea to let us know about it, even if you haven't made up your mind yet. This ship is starting to feel a little rudder-less. :3

-Stitch


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 Post subject: Caption 92.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 11:05 am 
I won? I won with that?
Well, I'll have to put the happydance on hold to post this.

Cap92- Well I can't speak for her, but I'm having fun.
Oh, I had a great time during the blackout.
My Gadget Clone came in the mail.
You'll never guess _who_ I saw doing _what_ at O'Flannigan's bar today.
I finally get a speaking roll.
My patent got approved and hers didn't!
Dale stumped her on a riddle.
blah blah blah. blah blah. blah blah blah blah.
We got the Teddy Ruspin contract.
During the blackout, she mistook me for a jelly bean.
My voice is still gone, but Zipper seems to be enjoying the ventrilquist act.
At least the latest production mixup is in my favor.
She got locked in a subway car with Chip and he escaped before anyone else did.
She crashed the plane into the same streetlight three times.
Her accountant somehow ran off with her car, her deed, and her bookie!
The weapons inspectors confiscated her apartment.
On the plus side, her ballet tickets are useless.
She's glum because she found out Indy's new rulling cuts her fanbase by half.
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Mole204
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Teamwork is essential -- it allows you to blame someone else.

Happy dance! Snoopy dance! Back to happy dance!


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 Post subject: Well
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 11:54 am 
Who supports getting rid of incest laws?
Who wants to get rid of the age of consent laws? Hmmmm?
What group has purposely spread AIDS?
Who has people proudly matching in the streets saying they are proud to be a pedophile?
AIDS DOES discriminate, look at the stats, it is overwhelmingly spread by gay male contact.
I have seen gay protesters support gay adoption in one hand and in the pother support the elimination of incest laws.
I have seen video from gay rallies where they support purposely infecting the blood supply with HIV. I have read articles on the "bug chasers" and "gift givers" gays that want to give AIDS to each other.

Gays use each other, there is no love its a sick form of lust. There are no monogamous gays. I have heard them bragging about having over 100 partners just in a weekend.How come I have never seen a single gay come out against NAMBLA? You know why they don't care. They honestly think those 5 year old boys want it. Gays dint want do be judged so they wont even judge each other. They will sit back and let unspeakable crimes be committed.

You are DISHONORABLE.
"All that is needed for evil to prevail
is for good men to do nothing."


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 12:34 pm 
Loved the last one.


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 Post subject: Tragedy?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 1:03 pm 
I wasn't going to say anything on this, but things have gotten ridiculous.

How can anyone call this a Tragedy? A tragedy is loosing someone like Andy, or what happened on 9-11-2001, or having someone very close to you hurt so bad they can't sleep at night because of nightmares.

I'm sorry folks, but this IS NOT A BIG DEAL! If people want to publish fic's with the content in question they can do so on fanfiction.net, or at a variety of other pages that everyone in this community can find and visit.

Indy did not, DID NOT, say that we couldn't tell folks about these stories here, only that we couldn't link directly. If one of us needs to find a site, all we have to do is ask someone around here and I'm sure (as friendly and helpful as this community usually is) they'll help us out.

I've been working (in what little free time I have these days) on a story that will not be publishable on this board, but am I flipping out? No. Because I know I can put it up elsewhere and still make sure anyone here who wants to see it knows about it.

Of course, with my track record on finishing fics on time this'll probably never be an issue with me...

All I'm saying here is this. Chill out. This isn't some dark government plot to ruin your lives, no fedora wearing, flight jacketed storm troopers are going to bust down your windows for writing and publishing such material, nor is Indy's wish to stop material with homosexual themes from circulating elsewhere. He's making a ruling based on the ideas and principals that this board was originally founded on.

So give the guy a break. He does a great job moderating this site (which he's been doing on his own time, for no pay, for several years now).

If you don't agree with the ruling, that's fine. It's your opinion. If you feel so strongly about it that you wish to leave us... well I'm sad to see you leave, and I wish you the best of luck. But don't go making personal attacks against Indy, or those who understand, or support his decision.

That's all.


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 Post subject: I think that you should come back to reality for a bit...
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 1:03 pm 
What you speak of must be, if it even excists, a minority of minorities.
And do you really believe that straight people is better? Now and then the magazines makes stories about "hiv men". Men that purpousfully have been together with several females even though they know of their deciese. I have never heard of gays doing that.


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 Post subject: I like #2, #3, #10 and #16
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 1:22 pm 
By the way, Mole...

...just what was Gadget *DOING* with the jelly bean she mistook Zipper for to put such a grin on his face?


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 Post subject: You're going a bit off the deep end here, methinks...
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 1:25 pm 
I could try and argue your stats, of course, since I know for a fact that the vast majority of AIDS cases are contracted through heterosexual contact (mainly because of a lack of precautions in countries where protection is not widely available or used)... however, I get the impression that you wouldn't listen anyway, and besides, what you're talking about has nothing whatsoever to do with the issue at hand.

I won't even touch your other 'points', because they are (and I don't mean to say you aren't free to see things however you want) patently offensive and ridiculous. I wouldn't even know where to start.

Okay, so you really, really dislike gay people. Point made. Moving along...

-Stitch


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 Post subject: Feh
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 1:27 pm 
Look up "Gift Givers" sometime, The mainstream media won't tell the truth. And most other are afraid to tell the truth for being arrested for "hate speech".


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 Post subject: I wasn't going to give you an answer...
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 1:30 pm 
Since I feel you are beneath it, but I can't let my consciensce go on this one. If your other post was bad, this is 100 times worse. All the things you just listed about gays is propaganda fed to people to bring you onto the side of the "morally" right. The &*#$ you've listed is just that, &*#$. Lemme clarify some things for you:

--Who supports getting rid of incest laws?-- I've never heard this one, its a new one on me. Therefore, I can't say much about it. I do know many older straight perverts with young daughters want them gone...

--Who wants to get rid of the age of consent laws? Hmmmm?-- Also a new one on me. Once again, I know many early 20's straight men who'd want these gone...

--What group has purposely spread AIDS?-- Who knows where AIDS has come from? Is it a government biological weapon released to rid the country of the gay population? A weapon to stop the starvation in Africa? What American's don't remember is that 20 million people of all sexes, ages, and orientations have AIDS in Africa, and something like 1 million die from it each year, I believe. I don't know the exact numbers. If they're spreading AIDS, how are straight people getting it, then?

--AIDS DOES discriminate, look at the stats, it is overwhelmingly spread by gay male contact.-- Once again, read up above. There's more AIDS in Africa than most of the world combined. If you could give me these so called "stats," and they're from a reliable, government source, not some anti-gay organisation, I could change my opinion. But since you have nothing to back it up with, I say that this is a crock of *&#%.

--I have seen gay protesters support gay adoption in one hand and in the pother support the elimination of incest laws.-- I support gay adoption. Why not? Two people, in love, in a stable relationship, wanting to raise a child together. The fact they can't produce said child between themselves is irrelevant. As long as love and happiness comes to that child, what does it matter what kind of relationship their parents have? As for repealing incest laws, see above.

--I have seen video from gay rallies where they support purposely infecting the blood supply with HIV. I have read articles on the "bug chasers" and "gift givers" gays that want to give AIDS to each other.-- New one to me too. If you could submit these articles, I'd like to take a look at them. Once again, get them from reliable sources, not anti-gay sources. They tend to put things out of perspective and be biased.

--Gays use each other, there is no love its a sick form of lust.-- Who are you to base this? Most gays I know have more stable relationships, especially in today's world of divorces. It is love, not lust. They are human beings, in need of love. Who they get this love from is irrelevant, and frankly, none of your business.

--There are no monogamous gays.-- Once again, bull*&#% put out by the "morally" right to make you hate homosexuals. I don't know what more I can say, that's the biggest crock I've ever heard!

--I have heard them bragging about having over 100 partners just in a weekend.-- First off, is that even humanly possible? Second, give some evidence to support this. Even if it is true, it is none of your business.

--How come I have never seen a single gay come out against NAMBLA?-- What's NAMBLA?

--You know why they don't care. They honestly think those 5 year old boys want it.-- And there's old, straight, perverts who think the same way. Pedophilia isn't something you can just switch on and off, just like homsexuality. Its whether you give into those urges and whether you fight them.

--Gays dint want do be judged so they wont even judge each other. They will sit back and let unspeakable crimes be committed.-- I won't point out your obvious grammatical error, I understood what you meant. Gays probably don't want to be judged because they know mis-informed @$$es like you will pass sentence over them without getting to know them. They probably don't care what others think of them and the life they live, since few people are truly accepting of them.

I think someone is a tad homophobic. Like I've said in previous posts, hate should have no place in our world, let alone on this site for "children." What kind of example are you setting for them?

I'd say something else derogatory, but I know it will definitely start a flame war. I'm above that, so I won't. Good day.


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 Post subject: Fool
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 1:34 pm 
AIDS is a gay disease, the chances of a man getting HIV from a woman are slim. And the chances of a woman getting HIV from a man are high but not 100%. The chances of a man giving another man HIV during intercourse is 99.99%, It is not natural, also gays have been known to sleep with hundreds of other men in a year.

You are falling for gay propagana, open your eyes. AIDS is the number 1 killer of gays. Look at the CDC stats sometime.


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 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 1:36 pm 
Link please?


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 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 1:39 pm 
Could you please provide these stats? I'd like to look them over


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 Post subject: That was rather thoughtful and even-handed...
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 1:39 pm 
I don't entirely agree with some of the points you've made, but I am delighted that you were able to make them in a rational, even courteous manner.

Here's the way I see it... you're right, this really isn't that big of a deal. If people are allowing their emotions to color their arguments, and it's resulting in tensions between some of the board's members... well, I'm afraid that's their choice, and there's not much that can be done about it.

Once you trim away all the snarky comments and such, the core issue is fairly simple and not very complex... Indy has made a content ruling, and some of us do not agree with the reasoning behind it. Valid points have been made on both sides of the issue, but thus far Indy has not said much else beyond his initial justification for the ruling.

Personally, all I want is either a rational reason for why gay content needs to be banned, or preferably for the R-Rated ruling to be repealed and replaced with a compromise that both sides can live with. I don't think I'm out of line in wanting those things. And no, I'm not attacking Indy personally... actually he seems like a rather nice and thoughtful fellow.

I am simply in disagreement with the new policy. That's all.

-Stitch


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 Post subject: Guys, let's just stop responding to Cobra at this point...
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 1:46 pm 
... he's gone way off-topic, he's out of line, and he's obviously trolling for an argument at this point. You can't debate with somebody if they won't pull their fingers out of their ears.

-Stitch


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